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 Posted 4/2/2012 5:42:13 PM
 

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I have a 12 week old black lab...he is eager to please and is an extremely quick learner. I want to start training him on dove and ducks but dont know if its to soon, or honestley how to even start...advice would be greatly appreciated
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 Posted 4/2/2012 11:33:31 PM
 

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Fantastic!  Believe it or not, training starts the moment you pick the pup up!  Like you allude to, it needs to be directed and consistent.  There is one point I have to stress - Train at the Dog's Pace, It's not a race.

I would start out with Jackie Merten's "Sound Beginnings".  Watch it several times and take notes.  Some of the drills seem a little weird but they have a reason behind them, they lead to easier training down the road.  Here's a great link to training material by Tim Price, a regular here.

http://www.ducks.org/mydu/members/messageboards/Topic473949.aspx

When you get to intro to gunfire, please let us know.  Dogs are not born gunshy, they're made gunshy.  Kghops has some great material about it and is a fantastic resource for training.  The Gun Intro will be aways down the road though.

Good Luck and keep us updated!

Edit: Link wasn't working, I think it is fixed


Edited: 4/2/2012 11:38:23 PM by Mallard Mugger
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 Posted 4/3/2012 10:37:26 AM
 

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Awesome link...and i totally agree about training starting as soon as you pick up the pup...hes done great with his basic obedience stuff like sitting and such. We do a few minutes of fetch every other night in the house, started with a ball and have moved to a bumper....

 My biggest concern is the order in which things need to be done and how to do them...i dont want the dog to get bored or do things out of order and ruin him....could you give me down a break down of a training program...i know it varies from dog to dog but i need something to go off of.

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 Posted 4/3/2012 12:57:42 PM
 

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The "Total Retriever Flow Chart" by Mike Lardy lays it all out.  "Sound Beginings" should take you pretty much through the top portion of his flow chart - up to Formal OB.  I couldn't get onto his wedsite right now but here is another link that takes you to the flow chart.

http://www.lakecharlesretrieverclub.com/1-Training_Flow_Chart.pdf

The flow chart will only do you so much good without the rest of the materials.  No, his materials are not cheap.  I can also recommend Rick Stawski's "Fowl Dawg" series.  It is a Rex Carr based system as well.  It's a 3 DVD set for about $60.  His DVDs start with formal OB.

At this age, pup's attention span is pretty short.  Only give him 2-3 retrieves.  End with him wanting more.  Take him on a lot of nature walks.  A retriever training club is an invaluable training source or find a way to hook up with a training group somehow.  The knowledge learned is incredible.
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 Posted 4/4/2012 5:21:24 PM
 

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Here's the link to Lardy's flow chart.

http://www.totalretriever.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=72&Itemid=102

Keep in mind Mertens video takes you thru everything for puppies. Do everything she tells you to and you'll have a well started puppy. Basic Obedience starts after that which is generally around 6 months. Everything you do now is simply puppy stuff. So print Lardy's chart for reference. Also start a training log to store info like the flow chart, put the notes you take while watching Merten's video 3-5 times, and info from your training sessions. Doing so helps track the pups progress. Best of luck.
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 Posted 4/4/2012 8:50:46 PM
 

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If you're looking for a copy of Sound Beginnings, I have one that I could be persuaded to sell.


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I got the book and video to "Water dog" by Richard A. Wolters to start training my Chessy at 3.5 months.  Wow she is just taking off with it and has corrected me on making some wrong moves.  The book is really good and down to earth and the video has helped with the visuals. I have not read "Game dog" yet for any feedback on it.

Edited: 4/9/2012 9:54:41 AM by Jeff - Mars
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 Posted 4/9/2012 12:04:14 PM
 

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Wolter's material is out of date.  That would be like driving a snowmobile from the 70s compared to today's models.  It'll get you there but there will have to be an awful lot of repairs along the way.  Please check out Mike Lardy's, Evan Graham's, or Rick Stawski's materials to get into the current era.

Do a search for Wolters and you'll come up with some interesting info.
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 Posted 4/9/2012 2:24:41 PM
 

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Thank you for your advice.  Man, I hope I'm not behind on her training being 3 weeks into training with "water dog" as a first time trainer?  I knew his background starting off but the DU reference and price is what sold me on it.
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 Posted 4/9/2012 3:26:54 PM
 

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Jeff - Mars (4/9/2012)
price is what sold me on it.


Dogs are a lot of things but cheap isn't one of them. Puppies cost a lot, vets cost a lot. Good food, training materials and training gear cost a lot. Nature of the beast Jeff. To get a nice finished dog, you're going to spend some cash.  

Here's the link for training materials.  http://www.ducks.org/mydu/members/messageboards/Topic473949.aspx
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